| GeorgeMiu | The guy that emailed also said that he's getting regrowth from prox |
| GeorgeMiu | I tried to encourage him to post to alt.baldspot |
| GeorgeMiu | I hope he does |
| Bryan2 | Me, too! Dr. P takes some heat, but not all of it is deserved! :-) |
| GeorgeMiu | not only a patient, but apparently one that flew to houston to see Dr P |
| Bryan2 | Wow. |
| Bryan2 | Damn, I could *walk* to his office from here! :-) |
| GeorgeMiu | The best testimonial the guy made, as far as I'm concerned is that when Dr P discovered he flew in, he gave him a bunch of free nano shampoos and conditioners for his trouble |
| Bryan2 | SHEESH!!! |
| GeorgeMiu | I thought it was pretty nice of him |
| Bryan2 | You guys need to take a nice vacation and come to Houston! |
| Bryan2 | See NASA and Dr. P! |
| Mikey | George - if you could be provided with the Free Sample packs of Finasteride for free would you take them or would you prfer to stick with the kind you get from the pharmacy? |
| GeorgeMiu | Christ. the guy told me it's not his falt I'm bald (and obviously bitter) |
| GeorgeMiu | what's he going to tell me in person? |
| Bryan2 | You two could kiss and make up! |
| GeorgeMiu | LOL |
| GeorgeMiu | oh man, that's funny... |
| Bryan2 | You pissed him off worse than jtd, and that's saying something... |
| * Mikey is being ignored by George! |
| Rkt | jtd hates Dr. P |
| Rkt | what's up with that? |
| GeorgeMiu | I asked him a simple question |
| GeorgeMiu | I just asked it over and over, thats all :) |
| Bryan2 | I've spent a lot of time talking to jtd, and I STILL don't know why he hates him. |
| GeorgeMiu | Whats up HT? |
| Mikey | George - if you could be provided with the Free Sample packs of Finasteride for free would you take them or would you prfer to stick with the kind you get from the pharmacy? |
| Mikey | and pay |
| Rkt | they should be equivalent, HT |
| GeorgeMiu | It depends on the source of the fin, I guess |
| Mikey | Propecia Pills |
| Mikey | from an online pharmacy |
| Rkt | just check the exp date |
| Mikey | a guy i only kind of know works at one and he can give me the sample packs |
| GeorgeMiu | but if I were certain that it was good stuff, I'd take them |
| Mikey | how could you be certain unless you had them assayed? |
| GeorgeMiu | Can't I guess ... |
| GeorgeMiu | except maybe do the 1 mg per day routine and see if I get the side effects.. |
| Rkt | Mikey, there are some things in life that you just have to accept blindly |
| Mikey | Seems everything is that way Rkt :) |
| Rkt | how do any of us know for certain that Propecia is the same product Merck tested? |
| Mikey | Rkt - if a tree falls in the woods... |
| GeorgeMiu | and there's a pope and a bear there ... |
| Mikey | which one ends up with the MPB ? |
| Rkt | Mikey, I think you torture yourself sometimes for no reason |
| Rkt | I'm an engineer so I know how you feel |
| GeorgeMiu | brb |
| Mikey | Then you know its not torture |
| Rkt | I can be a real perfectionist |
| Mikey | its inquisitiveness :) |
| Rkt | I think it's more like paranoia...:-) |
| Rkt | you have a ton of hair |
| Rkt | don't worry |
| Rkt | you could be as thin as me..:-) |
| Mikey | Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you :) |
| Rkt | lol |
| * peej_ thinks: as you get older, youl lose more hair from the top and grow more hair in your ears and nose: The obvious answer: nasal and aural hair transplants! |
| Rkt | Bryan, how would you rate Prox's effectiveness compared to Min/fin combo? As good, twice as good, etc? |
| Bryan2 | It's hard to specify exactly what *twice as good* means in this context. |
| Mikey | Oh don't be such a perfectionist Bryan! |
| Bryan2 | I think it would grow noticeably more hair. |
| Bryan2 | In before and after pictures. |
| Bryan2 | Maybe hair weights, like in the new Vera Price study, would be the way to test hair medicines! |
| Rkt | I think so...then you could measure hair shaft increases and new hairs |
| Rkt | when Dr. P adds PBN and Tempo in "therapeutic concentrations" I may give it a shot again |
| Bryan2 | You've used it before? |
| Bryan2 | Hey what do you guys think of that Proxiphen picture on Dr. P's site? Do you agree with jtd, or not? |
| GeorgeMiu | disagree, I think that guy was a cueball at the begining... |
| Rkt | yes |
| peej_ | EXTEMELY GOOD RESPONSE |
| Bryan2 | Rkt, what does "yes" mean? |
| Rkt | I think he regrew a lot of hair |
| * peej_ whipers ooops. sorry. . extremely good response |
| GeorgeMiu | insanely good responder -- 1 in a million |
| Bryan2 | Ok |
| Rkt | I said yes that I had taken Prox before |
| Mikey | Billions and Billions.... |
| Bryan2 | For how long? |
| Rkt | I have hairloss on the crown and can't get any regrowth after 2 yrs |
| Rkt | for 4 or 5 months |
| Rkt | I have diffuse thinning all over the top and back |
| peej_ | Rkt: what are you using ? kitchen sing? |
| Rkt | was costing me $150/mo to use it |
| peej_ | sink i mean |
| Rkt | I use: 2.5 fin daily, 5% Xandrox day and nite, 12.5% Xandrox night time, Prox N once per day |
| Rkt | also take saw palmetto and a host of other supplements plus gelatin |
| *** Woodsie has joined #hairloss |
| Woodsie | hello all |
| Mikey | hi Woodsie |
| Rkt | also use CD 5% min with 4% grape seed ext and 4% phenytoin |
| GeorgeMiu | rkt, any irritaion from the retin-a |
| Bryan2 | Nothing's helped you, rkt? |
| Rkt | Not unless I use it 2x/day |
| Rkt | not really Bryan |
| Rkt | slowed or stopped loss.noregrowth |
| Woodsie | any1 using the aloe/salt combo? |
| GeorgeMiu | hey woodsie... |
| Rkt | also use Nano 5 or more times per week and Nizoral 2% 4 times per week |
| peej_ | Rkt: comprehensive approach alright |
| Woodsie | hi george |
| Rkt | yup...I quit...:-) |
| Rkt | no more additions |
| GeorgeMiu | I tried the salt and aloe to see what it would do |
| Rkt | till Dutasteride |
| Woodsie | and? |
| Bryan2 | Your a difficult case, rkt; you already know that... |
| Bryan2 | Sheesh! You're |
| Rkt | just my luck, Bryan...lol |
| GeorgeMiu | rkt, how do you like the cd minox with gse? |
| Rkt | it's horrible |
| Rkt | very sticky |
| GeorgeMiu | I agree! |
| GeorgeMiu | I couldn't use the whole bottle -- had to throw half of it away |
| Rkt | thikens hair though |
| Rkt | thickens |
| GeorgeMiu | and they refused to answer any of my email inquiries too |
| peej_ | Damn, just lost hair putting on Tricomin and Rogaine |
| Rkt | I keep hearing good things about Tricomin |
| GeorgeMiu | I like my own GSE mix much better |
| Bryan2 | Boy, I know what we all need: 25% minoxidil!! |
| Woodsie | whats gse? |
| GeorgeMiu | Grape Seed Extract |
| Rkt | George, do u buy GSE powder? |
| peej_ | How long does a typical Tricomin bottle last? |
| Rkt | or use pills |
| Woodsie | when i first bought minox...didint it say something in the pamphlet that 2% was all u needed? |
| GeorgeMiu | rkt, I use capsules and pop them open |
| Bryan2 | Yeah...funny, ain't it? |
| Rkt | toakes forever to make a 3% solution that way |
| Rkt | if you mix a while bottle at once |
| Rkt | whole |
| Woodsie | whats everyone taking here? |
| GeorgeMiu | I'd like to get gse powder but have not been able to find anything under 1 kilo |
| Rkt | what do u guys think of Dr. Gho? |
| Bryan2 | Pie in the Sky |
| Rkt | or even hair multiplication in general? |
| Amit | Propecia, Rogaine, Tricomin, Aloe, Emu Oil, vitamins and supplements |
| GeorgeMiu | gho = pie in the sky |
| Rkt | why do u feel that way? |
| Woodsie | wow! amit |
| GeorgeMiu | nice thought bryan, :) |
| Rkt | sounds like he's made some decent progress |
| Woodsie | is all that stuff working Amit? |
| Amit | I just started this one month ago...i noticed my hair loss 6 months ago..so far it isnt working |
| Amit | Although Nizoral worked to get rid of seb derm |
| Rkt | I just wish I could find a combo that worked for me like George's protocol or even Ertels worked for them |
| peej_ | Exactly |
| GeorgeMiu | brb |
| Rkt | very frustrating |
| Rkt | sometimes I think the term medical science is an oximoron |
| Woodsie | isnt nizorol for dandruff? |
| peej_ | There are so many possible combinations of things and new products etc. |
| Rkt | at least when it comes to hairloss |
| Amit | Yeah, I suppose so--its an antifungal shampoo |
| Rkt | I may try prox again and drop Dr. Lee's 12.5% Xandrox |
| Amit | gho should happen, i reckon |
| Woodsie | oh i c |
| peej_ | Real Soon Now |
| Rkt | hope you're right peej |
| Amit | probably 5 years though, huh? |
| Amit | either that or some kind of cloning / gene therapy should happen |
| Bryan2 | Rkt, maybe you're a candidate for some PBN experimentation. |
| Woodsie | im thinkin of just giving up |
| peej_ | hell, even right now, you could take the hair off a coprse and stick it into your scalp |
| Rkt | that's what I'm thinking, Bryan |
| peej_ | it is immunologically privilaged, the hair follicle |
| * peej_ heads off to the morgue for some body snatching |
| Rkt | just wish he would add enough to reach "therapeutic levels" soon |
| Rkt | or I'll make my own |
| Rkt | In fact, I may just do that |
| GeorgeMiu | Roll your own, baby! |
| Rkt | add PBN and Tempo |
| Rkt | myself |
| GeorgeMiu | The trick is trying to figure out a good dose |
| Bryan2 | Face it: you didn't try Proxiphen for all that long... |
| Rkt | where did u buy the stuff, George. I used to work in a lab so I can get the materials |
| Rkt | you're right, only 4-5 months |
| GeorgeMiu | dude, do a search at www.chemfinder.com |
| peej_ | ugh! How! me indian brave! offer dead scalp for sale with thick black hair! |
| Rkt | just too damn expensive and the 12.5% mania caught me |
| Rkt | lol |
| Bryan2 | That's my problem: getting them to send it to me. Let's pool our resources!! |
| Woodsie | how much peej?..lol |
| peej_ | when will a product containging PBN and tempo come out> |
| Rkt | Bryan, don't tell me you're going to defy Dr. P and buy your own |
| Rkt | are you?...:-) |
| Rkt | thanks for the site, George |
| Woodsie | anyone met Dr P? |
| Bryan2 | If I do, I ain't gonna advertise it on alt.baldspot! :-) |
| Rkt | me neither |
| GeorgeMiu | rkt, go for it... |
| Rkt | we can leave that to George |
| GeorgeMiu | Just sharing with the guys |
| Bryan2 | Let George be the "cussing-boy"! |
| Rkt | just kidding, George |
| Rkt | I appreciate your efforts |
| GeorgeMiu | and giving Dr P lots of free press -- I think I should get a referral fee :) |
| Rkt | you better watch out, he;s a gun freak |
| GeorgeMiu | I bet he was beaming when I posted that initial experience with pbn and tempo |
| peej_ | GeorgeMiu: he can still sue you in sue-happy america |
| Bryan2 | Yeah, he's a gun expert! |
| peej_ | hehe. or gun you in gun-happy america |
| Rkt | what was your initial experience? |
| GeorgeMiu | My initial experience is that pbn by itself in a 2% soltution is an excellent anti inflammatory |
| Rkt | how could you tell that? |
| peej_ | one of my colleagues has dvd decryption on his sites and is getting sued in california for it (and he is located in india). i'd like to see them extradite him for that |
| GeorgeMiu | Dr P will like every post I make regarding pbn and tempo if I am having good results because its free advertising |
| peej_ | set them TRY to extadite him for that :) |
| GeorgeMiu | Besides, what could he sue me for if he wanted to? |
| peej_ | GeorgeMiu: true, actually. he's prolly really quite chill about the thing. or he should be if he knows what is good for him |
| Rkt | George, did you have a scalp condition clear up while on pbn? |
| Woodsie | gotta go...thanks for not listening to me |
| GeorgeMiu | rkt, yes -- my scalp cleared to what I call a "fish-belly" white color after the 1st application |
| Rkt | wow!!!! that's very promising |
| GeorgeMiu | and stayed clear for about a week, but now its getting irritated again |
| Rkt | I have a feeling Dr. P is very high on PBN |
| Bryan2 | Rkt, I seriously suspect that if you're gonna have any chance of success, it would be with starting Proxiphen again and adding your own PBN. Hate to sound so typically pro-Proctor, but I think it's the simple truth. |
| Rkt | for a number of ailments and as preventive medicine |
| GeorgeMiu | When it first happened I was floored, cause my scalp hasn't been that color for a very long time |
| Bryan2 | You sound like a very resistant case. |
| Rkt | thanks for offering advice, Bryan....I do respect your opinion..:-) |
| GeorgeMiu | Bryan = Dr P butt boy :) |
| Rkt | I'm thinking about making those additions |
| Rkt | lol |
| GeorgeMiu | lol |
| GeorgeMiu | I can't help myself LOL |
| Bryan2 | I feel like Rodney Dangerfield... |
| Rkt | it was appropriate |
| peej_ | woodsie: hunh? |
| Rkt | Bryan laughed too |
| Bryan2 | Woodsie took it on the lam. |
| Rkt | he knows he's nothing but a cheap snake oil slut....:-) |
| peej_ | georgemiu= Dr P whipping boy :) |
| GeorgeMiu | Hey, I'm bald and bitter damnit!@!! |
| GeorgeMiu | and its all Dr P's fault!!! |
| Rkt | so am I |
| GeorgeMiu | lol |
| peej_ | heheheh |
| Rkt | and it's his fault too |
| Rkt | lol |
| GeorgeMiu | Oh yea, and I'm trying to get a life too... :) |
| Rkt | George, I don't think you understand patent issues |
| Rkt | lol |
| peej_ | gah, every time i see lol these days i think of spamcrap (LOL! LOL!) |
| Bryan2 | Damn, I feel guilty about Woodsie. |
| GeorgeMiu | what happened to woodsie? |
| Bryan2 | He split because we ignored him. |
| GeorgeMiu | you bastards! |
| peej_ | we weren't supportive enough of his hangups or something i guess |
| GeorgeMiu | you killed woodsie! |
| Bryan2 | We weren't nurturing enough. |
| Bryan2 | Oh my God, we killed Woodsie! |
| *** peej_ changes topic to 'oprah losers, please come here to sob on our shoulders' |
| GeorgeMiu | hey, you guys get oprah in India? |
| peej_ | i think so. we get all the other crap and soaps too.l the young and the restless, the bald and the beautiful (hehe), star drek |
| peej_ | jay leno (/me retches) |
| peej_ | the only thing we seem to miss is jerry springield |
| GeorgeMiu | The world is getting smaller, eh? |
| peej_ | oh, yeah, babewatch, beverly hills 90110 or whatever |
| peej_ | 100 channels and nuthin on! |
| Mikey | Porn |
| *** Rkt has joined #hairloss |
| GeorgeMiu | I thought you guys were ultra conservative -- all those shows have "skin" |
| peej_ | no porn, unfortunately |
| peej_ | No shows with a lot of indian honeys? |
| peej_ | they show that at the movie halls in art films instead |
| Rkt | anyone heard anything recently about Leo? |
| peej_ | oh, loadsa indian soaps too |
| GeorgeMiu | Nope, nothing about leo |
| peej_ | and indian serials. very amateur though 'cos all made on a budget |
| peej_ | Aishwarya Rai is amazing |
| peej_ | fun to watch if you're with friends and enjoy a collective puke :) |
| Rkt | also said it's 3x more effective than min |
| GeorgeMiu | rkt, sounds promising... |
| Rkt | sure does.... |
| peej_ | if your parents are dumb enough to use a tv as a babysitter, that is what you get - a culling fo the herd |
| Rkt | I think J&J is working with them |
| Rkt | Ertel was supposed to get us an update, but as usual he didn;t come through |
| peej_ | J&J? |
| Rkt | Johnson and johnson |
| Rkt | twice he failed |
| peej_ | J& J is the maker of leo? |
| GeorgeMiu | I wonder if all the minox regrown hair would fall out if you switch to leo |
| Rkt | don't know sorry |
| Rkt | just my Dr. P imitation |
| GeorgeMiu | hey, you're Dr P! |
| Rkt | how'd I do? |
| GeorgeMiu | lol |
| Rkt | couldn't resist |
| GeorgeMiu | I wonder what ertel's new treatment is? |
| GeorgeMiu | any guesses? |
| peej_ | hehe. I do love it when will brink comes on and skewers people |
| Rkt | either Leo, Dutasteride, or RU58841 |
| Rkt | will's out of control sometimes |
| GeorgeMiu | not that he actually *needs* a new treatment -- seems hes doing fine with the old ones |
| Rkt | attacks for no reason |
| GeorgeMiu | it;s that kaneeshiwa character that irritates me |
| Rkt | I sent him an email once and he was really condescending and belligerent |
| peej_ | "why you speak like TV indian" (to moonshine2000 or whater that dumbo was trying to fake a dclueless foreiner |
| Rkt | Malpage is funny |
| Rkt | where's he been? |
| peej_ | kaneeshiwa is an idiot yes. |
| Bryan2 | Kaneesh is a strange duck... |
| GeorgeMiu | will brink = the cockiest a 5' 7" dude can be :)) |
| peej_ | malpage is a good laugh too. |
| GeorgeMiu | I think malpage is not posting due to serious flames from a couple of guys |
| Rkt | what do u think ertel is using, George |
| GeorgeMiu | I wish I knew, I'd be all over it :) |
| peej_ | Mikey can be funny sometimes too |
| * peej_ browns his nose |
| Rkt | me too |
| Rkt | I think he's supposed to tell us this month, right? |
| Rkt | bryan, what do u think john's using now? |
| GeorgeMiu | I've been reading a.b pretty regularly just to find out... |
| peej_ | Rkt: what, he's keeping it a secret? odd. |
| Bryan2 | The new thing, you mean? I dunno... |
| Rkt | take a shot |
| Rkt | could be the Leo product |
| Rkt | supposed to be a respected "future" treatment on his list |
| Rkt | there aren't too many of those |
| Rkt | maybe hollick's product? |
| GeorgeMiu | but what would him taking it prove? |
| Rkt | that's it's in trials? |
| GeorgeMiu | that minox/propecia regrown hair can be maintained with the new thing? |
| Rkt | or close to release |
| Rkt | don't know. |
| Rkt | he's gutsy to risk it |
| Rkt | I wouldn |
| Bryan2 | Who says it's either/or? |
| GeorgeMiu | He says he's stopped treatment before just to see what would happen |
| GeorgeMiu | and when he starts to shed, he goes back to treatment and he's fine |
| GeorgeMiu | might not be much of a risk from his perspective |
| Bryan2 | I'm leaning toward Dutasteride, I guess. |
| GeorgeMiu | Man, that guy used a sh*tload of stuff on his hair... |
| GeorgeMiu | He's my hero~ |
| GeorgeMiu | lol |
| GeorgeMiu | You know, that's one of the principles I agree with Dr P completely |
| GeorgeMiu | That you really need multiple agents to attack mpb effectively |
| GeorgeMiu | I think ertel is living, hairy proof |
| Bryan2 | Well, you're learnin', George! :-) |
| peej_ | yeah, ertels hair gows and sheds like a grow-and-sheddy thing alright |
| GeorgeMiu | I'm still skeptical that there's enough in a single dose of prox to do anything for any except very good responders |
| Bryan2 | Well, at the very least, you're forced to admit that there's an active amount of Retin-A in it! |
| GeorgeMiu | That there is. |
| Rkt | he's gotcha George...:-) |
| Rkt | bryan you should have been an attorney |
| Bryan2 | Yeah! |
| GeorgeMiu | You know I've tried on numerous occasions to apply just a little bit of retin-a, just a drop or two |
| GeorgeMiu | and every time, given a few days, I eventually get inflammation. |
| GeorgeMiu | sucks in a major way |
| Rkt | I think my prob is that my skin just doensn't allow substances to cross |
| Bryan2 | BTW, Dr. P has been negotiating with me to help him prosecute cases of patent infringement... |
| *** blissbe has joined #hairloss |
| GeorgeMiu | hey bliss |
| bliss | hello |
| Bryan2 | Just a word to the wise! :-) |
| GeorgeMiu | Oh, go on -- butt boy! |
| GeorgeMiu | lol |
| Bryan2 | Let's see... George, what did you say your address is? :-) |
| GeorgeMiu | Christ Bryan, if I would have quietly just used the stuff without sharing with the ng, nobody would have ever known |
| Bryan2 | Too late now! |
| bliss | hey George, I got an e_mail from someone saying you wanted to set up a web-ring |
| bliss | is this true? |
| GeorgeMiu | well, I suggested the idea, and would participate if there's interest |
| bliss | I am interested. |
| bliss | I would help out with it |
| GeorgeMiu | cool, man -- let the ball roll |
| bliss | alright |
| bliss | I shall look into it |
| Rkt | what's a web ring? |
| bliss | a list serve would be neat to |
| bliss | A group of websites all linked togather |
| bliss | on one topic |
| bliss | but we need to get more of the alt.baldspot people to make sites |
| GeorgeMiu | maybe once we get this rolling, they will |
| bliss | this is true. |
| Rkt | well, I'm gonna hit the hay...nite guys |
| bliss | nighte |
| GeorgeMiu | maybe we can make like a hair site template for anyone that wants to fill in the blanks |
| GeorgeMiu | cya rkt |
| GeorgeMiu | you know, that way they wouldn't have to learn a whole lot of html |
| bliss | yes we could that is a good idea |
| bliss | any idea of what web ring sevice we should go through? |
| bliss | there a few of them to say the least |
| *** wildcoyot has joined #hairloss |
| GeorgeMiu | well have to choose somehow -- don't know the criteria |
| wildcoyot | whats up |
| GeorgeMiu | well guys, I gotta roll |
| peej_ | cya george |
| GeorgeMiu | bye all |
| Bryan2 | Later, George! |